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"I deserve, certainly, the most extreme punishment society has, and I think society deserves to be protected from me and others like me." Ted Bundy
I live in a country that don´t have death penalty. The question for me is therefor difficult. I know if one of my children was murdered, I would scream for death for the murderer. But the bigger question, should a state ( country, government) use the same tool ( death)as penalty, I don´t know. On the other hand, what are the costs for keeping people for life in jail.. But also, should you be able to use death penalty when you can´t prove with hard evidence such as DNA or similar? I hope I get serious answers, remember I don´t live in a country where death penalty is an option. Kind regards
So, if your kid is murdered you would demand justice but if someone else's kid is murdered, you object to it? Well, aren't you special.
And aren't you sarcastic? And bear in mind that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.
Skipper made her thoughts clear. She acknowledged that she would experience a knee-jerk human reaction. Nowhere did she State that she would NOT experience that reaction on behalf of any other victim, or MVFS.
Nor did she state either a preference for or against the DP. She asked questions, and stated that she was open to discussion as she doesn't live in a country where the DP is applicable. She's asked for other's viewpoints, thoughts, and I've no doubt she's grateful to you for your entirely pro-death reference links.
Should a state ( country, government) use the same tool ( death)as penalty?
What are the costs for keeping people for life in jail?
Should you be able to use death penalty when you can´t prove with hard evidence such as DNA or similar?
Three simple questions, for which she's asked for viewpoints, debate, and information.
You, on the other hand, have posted Links (for which the effort is appreciated), but she hasn't tugged her forelock and pledged allegiance to the Pro-Death cause, so you're behaving as if you've spat your dummy out of the pram. Perhaps when you've quite finished behaving like an uncouth, unmannerly boor (we already have one of those in Vinnie and am sure as an intelligent person, you have no desire to be classed as being of his ilk) then you'll answers the question the lady has asked, civilly. This is a Discussion Forum that is deemed as neither Pro or Anti, and all viewpoints are supposed to be respected.
Well, I guess I wanted to discuss the question in its compexity.To demand justice when youré emtionally involved is natural and inevitable. But courts don´t judge emotinally. What answers do you mean I am not interested in? And what questions? I was looking for discussion...well I guess that was the silly thing on my behalf.
Should a state ( country, government) use the same tool ( death)as penalty?
What are the costs for keeping people for life in jail?
Should you be able to use death penalty when you can´t prove with hard evidence such as DNA or similar?
These are the questions you asked in your previous posting. Personally, I believe it's more a question of WHY would the DP be chosen over LWOP? That seems to be down to the individual State/Country/Government's culture, beliefs and history - if it's been accepted as a part of their life since their creation, and they believe it's worked for them, what right do we have to try to force an alternative option on them? We don't. All we can hope for is that circumstances don't arise where a mistake is made that is irrepairable, because the dead don't rise if it's found the verdict was wrong.
What are the costs for keeping people for life in jail?
Lambchop's already posted links on that one. The issue against that one is how much money do all these trials and appeals cost the State taxpayer? I honestly believe that proven Serial Killers shouldn't even be entitled to one appeal. They've killed for notoriety, let them have it with their deaths. I'm neither Pro nor Anti, but believe each case and individual should be judged on its merits, and with Serial Killers, there's no doubt.
Should you be able to use it in cases of reasonable doubt? Morally, No, but that's not the case. It still is applied. As to hard evidence, define hard evidence when there are human beings involved. DNA is classed as the wonder tool but until the day it can jump from its source onto the slide, decipher itself and write up its own findings, then am not inclined to think it's as miraculous as it's made out to be when it comes to the Legal System.
So, if your kid is murdered you would demand justice but if someone else's kid is murdered, you object to it? Well, aren't you special.
And aren't you sarcastic? And bear in mind that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.
Skipper made her thoughts clear. She acknowledged that she would experience a knee-jerk human reaction. Nowhere did she State that she would NOT experience that reaction on behalf of any other victim, or MVFS.
Nor did she state either a preference for or against the DP. She asked questions, and stated that she was open to discussion as she doesn't live in a country where the DP is applicable. She's asked for other's viewpoints, thoughts, and I've no doubt she's grateful to you for your entirely pro-death reference links.
Should a state ( country, government) use the same tool ( death)as penalty?
What are the costs for keeping people for life in jail?
Should you be able to use death penalty when you can´t prove with hard evidence such as DNA or similar?
Three simple questions, for which she's asked for viewpoints, debate, and information.
You, on the other hand, have posted Links (for which the effort is appreciated), but she hasn't tugged her forelock and pledged allegiance to the Pro-Death cause, so you're behaving as if you've spat your dummy out of the pram. Perhaps when you've quite finished behaving like an uncouth, unmannerly boor (we already have one of those in Vinnie and am sure as an intelligent person, you have no desire to be classed as being of his ilk) then you'll answers the question the lady has asked, civilly. This is a Discussion Forum that is deemed as neither Pro or Anti, and all viewpoints are supposed to be respected.
Sarcastic? No. Just not a naive idiot like some, ahem, people. She's an anti. You're a scumpal. You two deserve each other. And if anyone has strayed into "vinnie" territory, it is you.
And aren't you sarcastic? And bear in mind that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.
Skipper made her thoughts clear. She acknowledged that she would experience a knee-jerk human reaction. Nowhere did she State that she would NOT experience that reaction on behalf of any other victim, or MVFS.
Nor did she state either a preference for or against the DP. She asked questions, and stated that she was open to discussion as she doesn't live in a country where the DP is applicable. She's asked for other's viewpoints, thoughts, and I've no doubt she's grateful to you for your entirely pro-death reference links.
Should a state ( country, government) use the same tool ( death)as penalty?
What are the costs for keeping people for life in jail?
Should you be able to use death penalty when you can´t prove with hard evidence such as DNA or similar?
Three simple questions, for which she's asked for viewpoints, debate, and information.
You, on the other hand, have posted Links (for which the effort is appreciated), but she hasn't tugged her forelock and pledged allegiance to the Pro-Death cause, so you're behaving as if you've spat your dummy out of the pram. Perhaps when you've quite finished behaving like an uncouth, unmannerly boor (we already have one of those in Vinnie and am sure as an intelligent person, you have no desire to be classed as being of his ilk) then you'll answers the question the lady has asked, civilly. This is a Discussion Forum that is deemed as neither Pro or Anti, and all viewpoints are supposed to be respected.
Sarcastic? No. Just not a naive idiot like some, ahem, people. She's an anti. You're a scumpal. You two deserve each other. And if anyone has strayed into "vinnie" territory, it is you.
Dear or dear. Is that the best you can come up with? Tell me, are your reference links as out of date as your remarks?
What makes you think that you are worth more? And you are still a scumpal.
No, lambchop, if I was one of your friends - THEN I'd consider myself a Scumpal:)
Of course. Black is white/Up is down to you. I have no use for women who are so desperate they troll death row for love. Get psych help. Maybe you and vinnie can get a two for one price?
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Re: Death Penalty Poll « Reply #157 on Apr 14, 2011, 3:29pm »
And while we're here, Skipper's original posting:-
Hi, I am Swedish. I think we executed the last convict like 100 years back! I am not pro not against, just struggling with my own thoughts. I am a hunter, I use weapons every day, I have no problem with killing, it´s the political statement that interest me. What to think, and also the reality u people live in. Sweden is, globally speaking, not a violent country. Of course we have our murders, rapes , armed robberys etc, but still, we are harmless...
I wouldn't call 'them' harmless, but its a matter of degrees, I guess. Crime is crime, whether it's one, or 50. At the end of the day, someone ends up getting hurt. But - nowhere does Skipper state that she is either Pro or Anti, so am standing by my original statement that you were spitting the dummy out of the pram because she didn't just read your links and comply with what you wanted. I reiterate - an uncouth boor.
And while we're here, Skipper's original posting:-
Hi, I am Swedish. I think we executed the last convict like 100 years back! I am not pro not against, just struggling with my own thoughts. I am a hunter, I use weapons every day, I have no problem with killing, it´s the political statement that interest me. What to think, and also the reality u people live in. Sweden is, globally speaking, not a violent country. Of course we have our murders, rapes , armed robberys etc, but still, we are harmless...
I wouldn't call 'them' harmless, but its a matter of degrees, I guess. Crime is crime, whether it's one, or 50. At the end of the day, someone ends up getting hurt. But - nowhere does Skipper state that she is either Pro or Anti, so am standing by my original statement that you were spitting the dummy out of the pram because she didn't just read your links and comply with what you wanted. I reiterate - an uncouth boor.
What's INSANE about some European nations is that not only there is no death but there's isn't even life in prison!
In countries like France no matter how many kill Life w/o parole doesn't even exist!! That's insane!
I saw a profile of a French serial killer who was just caught a few years ago and eventhough he confessed to killing SEVEN people he only got 30 years since that is the MAX sentence!
The French are INSANE! Is it that bad in Scandanavia and other parts of Europe?
Yes, you are an uncouth boor. You're also a hard up, amoral hybristophiliac that trolls death row for love.
And that's exactly what I refer to with you, lambchop. You have no idea what you're talking about. I stood by a man on his grounds on Innocence (as do three Supreme Court Judges) but those days are long past now others far more capable of fighting his case are concerned. Nowadays, am a Cougar, and not a Scumpal, lol:) It's been entertaining meeting you, but am back out of here and into the real world:)
Yes, you are an uncouth boor. You're also a hard up, amoral hybristophiliac that trolls death row for love.
And that's exactly what I refer to with you, lambchop. You have no idea what you're talking about. I stood by a man on his grounds on Innocence (as do three Supreme Court Judges) but those days are long past now others far more capable of fighting his case are concerned. Nowadays, am a Cougar, and not a Scumpal, lol:) It's been entertaining meeting you, but am back out of here and into the real world:)
You need a dictionary, loser. You also need therapy. The only way your murderer leaves death row is via execution.
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Re: Death Penalty Poll « Reply #162 on Apr 14, 2011, 8:47pm »
i love a good debate..... what i dont like is put downs and namecalling of other members , hence lambchop has now discovered i love the ban button too, see ya sheep
i love a good debate..... what i dont like is put downs and namecalling of other members , hence lambchop has now discovered i love the ban button too, see ya sheep
Hi Angelic. I'm sorry that you had to do that, and hope that lambchop's remarks haven't chased Skipper off. She sounded really nice and didn't deserve the treatment he dished out to her. If you're reading this, Skipper - come back and post and let us know that he hasn't driven you away, please. And I don't need a dictionary - there's 'bore' as in 'how the hell do I get away from this person before they send me to sleep?' and 'boor' - rough, bad mannered person, Old English definition not so frequently used nowadays, but should be, sadly. Off to watch the footie:)
And while we're here, Skipper's original posting:-
Hi, I am Swedish. I think we executed the last convict like 100 years back! I am not pro not against, just struggling with my own thoughts. I am a hunter, I use weapons every day, I have no problem with killing, it´s the political statement that interest me. What to think, and also the reality u people live in. Sweden is, globally speaking, not a violent country. Of course we have our murders, rapes , armed robberys etc, but still, we are harmless...
I wouldn't call 'them' harmless, but its a matter of degrees, I guess. Crime is crime, whether it's one, or 50. At the end of the day, someone ends up getting hurt. But - nowhere does Skipper state that she is either Pro or Anti, so am standing by my original statement that you were spitting the dummy out of the pram because she didn't just read your links and comply with what you wanted. I reiterate - an uncouth boor.
What's INSANE about some European nations is that not only there is no death but there's isn't even life in prison!
In countries like France no matter how many kill Life w/o parole doesn't even exist!! That's insane!
I saw a profile of a French serial killer who was just caught a few years ago and eventhough he confessed to killing SEVEN people he only got 30 years since that is the MAX sentence!
The French are INSANE! Is it that bad in Scandanavia and other parts of Europe?
EB, it's not frequently used, but there is a little thing called 'At her Majesty's Pleasure' which means appeals keep getting turned down, and turned down, on the basis that they're generally not safe to be released for the public's good. We're still obliging Human Rights with the Euro's, but still not letting them out. Peter Sutcliffe is a case in point.
Re: Death Penalty Poll « Reply #167 on Jun 19, 2012, 3:07pm »
This is my idea how death penalty should be handled and how judicial punishment in general should be reformed: ____________________________________________________
All offences are splitted into capital crimes, felonies, major and minor indictable offences. From age of 14, persons are fully accountable for committed crimes. Between school going age and 14, maturity of the person has to be considered by judges.
Capital crimes entail the mandatory capital punishment.
Felonies may entail either imprisonment up to 10 years or the capital punishment due to circumstances. Felonies entail the mandatory capital punishment in cases of repeat.
Major indictable offences may entail imprisonment up to 5 years, corporal punishment up to 25 lashes, also repeated corporal punishment, community service or fines. Major indictable offences can be punished by death after at least five sentences due to major indictable offences.
Minor offences may entail corporal punishment, community service or fines. It is also possible to combine community service, corporal punishment and fines.
Capital punishment may not be announced onto persons below the age of 14 yaears. However, on reaching the age of 14 years, the convict can make the judge commute imprisonment to capital punishment after mandatory advice in prison. In cases of proven maturity, exceptions can be allowed to execute younger convicts.
Capital punishment may not be carried out onto child-bearing women and single parents with children below the age of 14 years. Execution has to be carried out after having given birth or as soon as the child turns 14 years.
The convict is entitled to choose the method of execution. This has to be practicable and reasonable for the person carrying it out. The convict is also entitled to sedation from two days before execution is scheduled. Humiliation of the convict is forbidden and may entail punishment upon imprisonment and execution staff members. Furthermore, the convict is entitled to indicate persons being present at his or her execution. The person carrying out execution may talk with the convict in advance in order to arrange the settings of execution and measures to avoid extreme stress of the convict. Execution has to be carried out 6 months after the death sentence has become in force.
The purpose of corporal punishment is to deter from further and more serious crimes and to punish serious misdemeanor in prison and not torture with long-lasting injuries. It may be carried out either in private or in public. The number of cane hits has to be determined with regard to age and corporal health of the convict. Public corporal punishment may not be carried out in places of much crowd passing by, for example railway stations, airports, major shopping streets. Repeated corporal punishment is not alled before two weeks have gone by. In general, more than 25 cane hits is the highest number being allowed in severe cases.
Imprisonment for persons above the age of 14 years may not rise above 10 years. Convicts of capital crimes or repeated felonies may be put to death. Persons below the age of 14 years may be sentenced to imprisonment up to the age of 25 years on capital crimes and repeated felonies which can be commuted to a death sentence on reaching the age of 14 years after mandatory advice in prison.
In cases of severe circumstances of capital crimes or felonies, judges may order imprisonment up to reaching the age of 14 years and deciding if the convict may receive capital punishment on reaching 14 years of age or may be released on reaching 25 years of age.
Drug or alcohol addiction as well as social and mental circumstances of the convict are not taken into consideration in the case of capital crimes.
Capital crimes do never lapse. Capital crimes are the following:
- murder, also attempted murder and incitement to murder - trafficking of hard drugs. Which drugs and which quantities of these drugs have to be qualified as capital crime is indicated in law. - high treason - rape, also sexual abuse of persons below the age of 14 years or persons deserving special protection, for example disabled persons. - violent kidnapping - terrorism - pushing someone to suicide - deliberate spreading of pathogens causing deaths
Main felonies are the following: - aid to murder - robbery - arson - non-minor bodily harm - homicide which has not to be classified as murder; homicide due to fear of the own life or sanity is considered a special case - enslavement - violent upheaval - corruption in very severe cases - selling and producing adulterated medicine and alcohol causing dangers of live to others - breakout from prison - non-licensed production and selling of weapons, munition and explosive materials in non-minor cases
Every convict of imprisonment is entitled to receive capital punishment on demand and after mandatory advice in prison.
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This looks very tough, but would save the lifes of many innocent citizens and spare many others of mental or bodily harms.
I do not want to glorify violence upon so called minors, but wish to discuss my ideas of reforming judicial punishment for offences. By the way: It is time to hold teenagers more countable in general.
« Last Edit: Jun 19, 2012, 3:08pm by abendlaender »
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Re: Death Penalty Poll « Reply #168 on Jun 21, 2012, 5:19am »
you are quite correct. it is ridiculous that some people think that a victim is less dead because they are killed by a 14 year old rather than a 24 year old. first degree murder SHOULD be mandatory death. forcible rape should be mandatory death.
Re: Death Penalty Poll « Reply #169 on Jul 18, 2012, 9:17pm »
Hi I am new to this site and I can tell you we definitely need the death penalty. The penal system is over burdened and taxpayers are forced to pay for scum of the earth like Joseph Duncan III. There is no question that he is dangerous to society and would do it again if given the chance and even brags about in his 2008 statement to the courts. (see statement below)
In his closing statement at his trial in 2008, Duncan told the jury, “You people really don’t have any clue yet of the true heinousness of what I’ve done.” While on the run from a child-molesting charge in Minnesota in 2005, Duncan said he’d plotted terrible crimes targeting random children, from invading day-care centers to kidnappings at campgrounds. “I was not searching for a child but rather I was on a rampage,” he said. “My intention was to kidnap and rape and kill until I was killed, preferring death easily over capture.”
He traveled across eight states looking for child victims before attacking the Groene family in their home along I-90 at Wolf Lodge, just east of Coeur d’Alene.
What if he had picked your home? Your children?
He should just be put down for the rabid beast that he is. Its really very simple. Just put a bullet in his head, get it over with. His victims suffered terribly before they died. It seems so unfair that when and if he is put to death it will be so easy on him. Tell me you anti DP that he does not deserve the DP. He is a monster of the worst sort. He is your worst nightmare and a danger to society. We need the Death Penalty protect society from these monsters and not make innocent victims the familes that he destroyed and the taxpayers by making us support his worthless life with our hard earned money and it is so hard to make a living today and yet we are forced to pay more and more taxes because the penal system is overloaded with murderers.
Re: Death Penalty Poll « Reply #172 on Dec 12, 2012, 9:35pm »
I am a believer in the death penalty especially when there is a overwhelming amount of evidence against the person who committed the crime.
The victim did not or was not given the choice or the right to life. their lives were taken either violently, maliciously and without remorse or regret.
I feel the person who committed such a heinous crime should be delivered with the same regard as the victim. They should be executed without remorse, regards or a thought.