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"I deserve, certainly, the most extreme punishment society has, and I think society deserves to be protected from me and others like me." Ted Bundy
what difference does it make if she is guilty or innocent, thats her Mom and her Mom believes in her, no matter what anyone says and she does believe its the states fault because she believes in Darlies innocence. How many Moms could turn their back on their daughter on death row no matter what the evidence says?
that's pretty much true, as sad as it is. it's just a defect in the female character. look at cindy anthony after everything, other than murdering her grandchild, did. most mothers just are not able to get it right
Hi I am new to the forum and have read about the case on many different sites, some for and some against her. I will state that I have no actual opinion on if she is guilty or not. Because her story, is far fetched, but if a mother can kill her own kids than there are plenty of crazies out there who will randomly kill people for the heck of it as well.
What I find to be my biggest problem with the entire case is the lack of proper justice.
It could be a flaw in our system and that isn't the trials fault. It isn't the jury's fault they found her guilty.
But when you put someone on death row and there are so many ways things can be explained, for or against the defense. There is a problem. You need to have beyond a reasonable doubt, and for that the person should have all the resources open to them for testing, or retesting. I mean how many times did the state judge deny her requests? Even now they wont retest the shirt? If we want to believe without a doubt she did it, then we should let her test what she wants and when those facts come back, that is when we can say justice has been served. Not before.
Anyway that is my opinion, it seems so many people take a pro or anti side and neither is willing to lean to the chance that they are wrong and that the other is right. How can either say they are truely right?
Take care, Sam
it's quite simple. when the evidence is so overwhelming and incontrovertible, as it is in darlie's case, there is no rational question of her guilt. there are a lot of folks who try to spin it differently, but, spinning only makes you dizzy. darlie routier was proven guilty, not just beyond a reasonable doubt, but, beyond all doubt whatsoever
Sam, I agree 100% with your opinion. Find the truth. What's wrong with that. There are lots of innocent people in prison. We know this because of the number of people who were proven innocent after the verdict. It's not like the verdicts are 99% correct. To put an innocent person to death without finding the truth is horrendous. More than 1 innocent person has been executed in America. I guess people think Hitler had it right. You will have a fair trial, after which you will be found guilty, and then shot. I always thought America was better than this form of justice. i just see some side with Hitler. The truth is not important only the verdict.
don't be daft hon. how about your naming just one factually innocent individual who has been executed in the u.s. since 1976? don't try with the usual stupidity of willingham, cantu, or troy davis idiocy. before the assertion has any merit whatsoever, you have to prove conclusively, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the individual had absolutely NO complicity, in any way, in the murder. could have, might, maybe, nor any other garbage will work. the PROOF that they were absolutely innocent has to be absolute.
Re: DARIN FILES FOR DIVORCE « Reply #33 on Nov 11, 2011, 4:38pm »
No Jumbo it has to be proved conclusively. without a shadow of doubt that they were guilty. Do you seriously believe that nobody has been convicted even though there was reasonable doubt. To turn it around what about Casey Anthony a lot of people on here believe she was guilty. Do you? If so, the jury got it wrong so whats to say innocent people have not been executed cos the jury got it wrong. I dont think many innocent people have been executed but to say none is just ridiculous.
Just because no state is going to admit executing an innocent person does not mean it has not happened. Willingham was proven innocent through scientific examination of the evidence. The state's lead detective also said Willingham was innocent. The evidence presented in court by the prosecution was interpretted improperly by the state's forensic experts. But, Texas (or any other state) will NEVER admit having executed an innocent person. Why? Because it would make the state guilty of murder. Innocent people have been executed, and ONE innocent person being executed IS one too many.
Sam, I agree 100% with your opinion. Find the truth. What's wrong with that. There are lots of innocent people in prison. We know this because of the number of people who were proven innocent after the verdict. It's not like the verdicts are 99% correct. To put an innocent person to death without finding the truth is horrendous. More than 1 innocent person has been executed in America. I guess people think Hitler had it right. You will have a fair trial, after which you will be found guilty, and then shot. I always thought America was better than this form of justice. i just see some side with Hitler. The truth is not important only the verdict.
Will you get real. Hitler would have you killed for speaking out against the state.
You still haven't shown any evidence that Darlie did not have a fair trial...you have shown nothing but your own thoughts and that crap you read on her website.
Re: DARIN FILES FOR DIVORCE « Reply #36 on Aug 10, 2012, 9:33am »
Now does anyone know if Dave Moff got a ring yet? He's been waiting a VERY long time for Darlie. Now he gets his wish. He can go see her though glass and put money on her books. And then when she gets that needle in her arm, he can hold her before she rots in the ground.
Re: DARIN FILES FOR DIVORCE « Reply #37 on Aug 10, 2012, 11:18am »
The evidence Christine you requested to validate Routier did not have a fair trial is in the transcript you claimed you have studied over the years. If you read the jury selection interviews; it indicatively points out that several members stated they believe Routier committed the crime that she is accused of committing before the first witness took the stand to convince them of what they already believed to be true. So how is that going to be fair. That being said, this is not my argument, but under the law she is entitled to a new trial based on the transcript errors that occurred during the trial.
Also; everyone has now heard the 911 tape, and talked about Routier picking up the knife during that call, the she states to the 911 operator “ I already picked up the knife, can they still get the prints? ” AND for 15 years now you fools came to the perception that you can erase fingerprints from a knife by applying fingerprints over the original fingerprint. That Routier was this criminal genus for picking up the knife. If you believe that Christine, then your on the same rapport as the original jury members; ignoring the facts, ignoring common sense, because an expert tell you so. An expert by the way that is reciting a script like a paid movie star, and everyone watching the movie gets the ending they so desire. The paradox; they knew the ending before the movie started, but stated they didn’t.
As for Routier getting divorced, who cares, or is that somehow now an argument she committed murder as well. Least she never cheated on her husband; like have your fked up Americans.
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Re: DARIN FILES FOR DIVORCE « Reply #38 on Aug 25, 2012, 6:42pm »
lucchesicourt,
You can't compare anyone with Hitler. This was not genocide.
That's being said, I don't believe the husband is guilty of murdering his kids but he still believes his wife is innocent. Maybe he can't cope with what happened and needs to remain in denial. Or, he could be covering for her, again denial or at worst, caring more about her than his murdered children.
She is beyond sick. That birthday party where she's having a good old time, chewing gum, laughing, dancing around and the silly string. I was flabbergasted. She committed the most heinous of crimes and needs to be put down like the animal she is.
Re: DARIN FILES FOR DIVORCE « Reply #40 on Sept 3, 2012, 6:06pm »
First off, innocent people have been executed. Not only in Texas, but probably every state that has the death penalty (even CA where I live). Hitler, not only committed genocide, but he also executed people who were NOT part of the act of genocide. He even had his own generals executed (who by the way were NOT Jews), such as Rommel. He executed men and women based on his opinion too. And, that had NOTHING to do with genocide.
First off, as I understand the testimony, it was NOT the supposed assailant who cleaned the kitchen. It was darlie, NO argument here. However, didn't Darlie say she used wet towels on the boys' wounds? Couldn't that be the soource of the blood? And, it is sometimes out of HABIT, even in times like this, when you can automatically wipe up blood. Now, if she was really cleaning, why is ther so much blood still present at the sink? In my opinion, after seeing the photos, they do NOT demonstrate anything more than a casual wipe. Why? Because if she was going to clean up, the blood would not be present to the naked eye. Now as for the blood in the alley not being there, people argue it had to be Darlie because no assailant left a trail of blood,right? well, if darlie had done it, wouldn't she have left a trail of blood just like the assailant. So, based on somepeople's opinions it means NO ONE went up the alley to plant the sock. If that is the case, how did the sock get there?
As for the scene at the gravesite, there are two videos from everything I have read, but only the prosecutions was put into evidence. Why? There are crime scene photos NEVER given to the defense, why? Why did the state refuse to give darkie the right to evidence? Especially, when the federal judge ruled they had too. So, that means Texas was trying NOT to get any other evidence into the case. If the state's case against her were so strong, why would it matter whether they allowed more testing as long as the defense foot the bill? How about inacurate testimony by the state's witnesses: Such as the cowboy hat being that of a child's- TOTALLY INACCURATE The screen being cut from the inside, later proven to be wrong Lead detective did not have written notes-he testified all from memory. This makes it hearsay as he has NO hard evidence as to what was said. I could go on with many little things, but they all add up to a question mark as to her being PROVEN guilty.
Re: DARIN FILES FOR DIVORCE « Reply #41 on Sept 8, 2012, 12:35pm »
Yes, to add a little to what you stated. Lynch testified that the hairs were microscopically consistent with the child; referring to the hat. That is textbook Joyce Gilchist; Gilchist has been compared to Tim McVeigh by her own attorney.
Excerpt from Gilchist "There's a lot of things I probably regret during the course of my lifetime. I probably regret not expounding a little further instead of just answering "
As I stated once before, I don’t trust Lynch,s findings. Indicative to his bias false opinion about the size of the hat. There are to much opportunity for that person to make mistakes in the lab, and I’ll bet all his documents relating to the testing procedures cant be found as well, giving him free rein to testify to whatever he so choose to state. Basically highly credible propaganda testimony; one could suggest manufactured, as there is no way of validating his findings one way or the other, so why take his word of trust based on merit. But his merits are closed curtain findings.
Is been ruled by the greatest legal minds in Canada that testifying off memory compared to note is unreliable. Indicative to basically ever witness that took the stand against Routier. Some Examples. Patterson, Bevel, all the medical staff.
Ah, this reminds me of a funny story. Remember Dr Santos, he cant remember if he received a phone call from police detectives the night before his testimony; looses all his notes before he has to testify, never to be located to this date. I heard he lost his wallet on the way home, and couldn’t find his map in his car where he left it, so he had to phone his wife for directions to get home.
First off, innocent people have been executed. Not only in Texas, but probably every state that has the death penalty (even CA where I live). Hitler, not only committed genocide, but he also executed people who were NOT part of the act of genocide. He even had his own generals executed (who by the way were NOT Jews), such as Rommel. He executed men and women based on his opinion too. And, that had NOTHING to do with genocide.
First off, as I understand the testimony, it was NOT the supposed assailant who cleaned the kitchen. It was darlie, NO argument here. However, didn't Darlie say she used wet towels on the boys' wounds? Couldn't that be the soource of the blood? And, it is sometimes out of HABIT, even in times like this, when you can automatically wipe up blood. Now, if she was really cleaning, why is ther so much blood still present at the sink? In my opinion, after seeing the photos, they do NOT demonstrate anything more than a casual wipe. Why? Because if she was going to clean up, the blood would not be present to the naked eye. Now as for the blood in the alley not being there, people argue it had to be Darlie because no assailant left a trail of blood,right? well, if darlie had done it, wouldn't she have left a trail of blood just like the assailant. So, based on somepeople's opinions it means NO ONE went up the alley to plant the sock. If that is the case, how did the sock get there?
As for the scene at the gravesite, there are two videos from everything I have read, but only the prosecutions was put into evidence. Why? There are crime scene photos NEVER given to the defense, why? Why did the state refuse to give darkie the right to evidence? Especially, when the federal judge ruled they had too. So, that means Texas was trying NOT to get any other evidence into the case. If the state's case against her were so strong, why would it matter whether they allowed more testing as long as the defense foot the bill? How about inacurate testimony by the state's witnesses: Such as the cowboy hat being that of a child's- TOTALLY INACCURATE The screen being cut from the inside, later proven to be wrong Lead detective did not have written notes-he testified all from memory. This makes it hearsay as he has NO hard evidence as to what was said. I could go on with many little things, but they all add up to a question mark as to her being PROVEN guilty.
that would be comical if it weren't so pathetic. yep. according to you, darlie is seriously wounded, her two boys dying, but, before she calls 911, she has to take a towel in the kitchen and clean up the blood. FACT! the screen WAS cut from the inside BIGGER FACT: THE MURDER WEAPON CAME OUT OF DARLIE'S DRAWER just that, all by itself, discredits EVERYTHING that you said
Yes, to add a little to what you stated. Lynch testified that the hairs were microscopically consistent with the child; referring to the hat. That is textbook Joyce Gilchist; Gilchist has been compared to Tim McVeigh by her own attorney.
Excerpt from Gilchist "There's a lot of things I probably regret during the course of my lifetime. I probably regret not expounding a little further instead of just answering "
As I stated once before, I don’t trust Lynch,s findings. Indicative to his bias false opinion about the size of the hat. There are to much opportunity for that person to make mistakes in the lab, and I’ll bet all his documents relating to the testing procedures cant be found as well, giving him free rein to testify to whatever he so choose to state. Basically highly credible propaganda testimony; one could suggest manufactured, as there is no way of validating his findings one way or the other, so why take his word of trust based on merit. But his merits are closed curtain findings.
Is been ruled by the greatest legal minds in Canada that testifying off memory compared to note is unreliable. Indicative to basically ever witness that took the stand against Routier. Some Examples. Patterson, Bevel, all the medical staff.
Ah, this reminds me of a funny story. Remember Dr Santos, he cant remember if he received a phone call from police detectives the night before his testimony; looses all his notes before he has to testify, never to be located to this date. I heard he lost his wallet on the way home, and couldn’t find his map in his car where he left it, so he had to phone his wife for directions to get home.
vinny, vinny, vinny. that wasn't humorous at all. i'd advise to to keep your day job
Re: DARIN FILES FOR DIVORCE « Reply #44 on Oct 16, 2012, 7:02pm »
i beleive that darin was involved in this crime ,but has left darlie to take the rap.I find it impossible to beleive that darin did not hear his kids and wife being brutally stabbed..i wake up if theres a jenny long legs fluttering about my bedroom,so how could darin not have heard his kids being stabbed and his wife fighting off an intruder
i beleive that darin was involved in this crime ,but has left darlie to take the rap.I find it impossible to beleive that darin did not hear his kids and wife being brutally stabbed..i wake up if theres a jenny long legs fluttering about my bedroom,so how could darin not have heard his kids being stabbed and his wife fighting off an intruder
There was no intruder to fight off. Darlie wasn't heard until she wanted to be heard.
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