i am having a bit of trouble finding information on the Carolyn King case all i seem to find is her penpal requests.
I think it is appauling when you have to search so bloody hard just to find her victims name and to date i cannot find it.
so if you can find some info please start a new thread and post away!!
PS please do not post your information in this thread!!
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Good question....Of coarse I could ask why do people who could care less about what some murdering B**** done would bother to crawl from under their rock and bug me with their stupid questions.....Yea I could ask ya that but I won't
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In 1993, King and her boyfriend burglarized a home in Lebanon, Pa., suffocating the 74-year-old owner (Guy Goodman, a florist) with a plastic bag. They also kidnapped a Bismarck, N.D., woman and kept her in the trunk of their car for five days before shooting her in Nevada.
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Welcome aboard, I think the reason we want to know these facts are just that. This board is mostly pro, but we can look at both sides here. I f there is questions, i know of no pro dp that would support an execution. We do however condon the extermination of vermin here. I think if you wack someone in the head 66 or so times with an axe, or starve a child to death, you get what you have comming to you. If you are looking for a cudly place to "feel good" about murder, torture, terrorism I would sugest a board of european origins. They mostly feel the DP is wrong for thier country. I would wonder how many people would feel comfy with a DR inmate sharing there house?
This is a thoughtful forum. And the death penalty is the ultimate punishment. Doesn't it behoove us all to find out the details of the crime before formulating an opinion one or another way? This is not a matter of morbid curiosity -- if a jury/judge imposes death, it's a fair assumption that the crime was gory and horrific -- but rather a search for any possible mitigation that might have warranted a less severe sentence. Sadly, most times, the penalty imposed does seem to fit the crime. This is certainly true in the case of these three women. All three murders involved torture and cruelty and, in two cases, were serious "overkills." Isn't it rather ironic that all three are vigorously pursuing appeals and seem to feel that their punishments violate the "cruel and unusual" protections embodied in the Eighth Amendment while turning a blind eye to the unusual cruelty they visited upon their victims? These women are where they belong. They richly deserve their fate .... but in order to know that, one has to learn the details of each case. So -- to answer your question -- this is "why people want to know this."
Post by justicesucks on Oct 15, 2008 6:52:54 GMT -5
I'm so glad you gave us information as to your Grandfather's name. The criminals get so much attention and often we have to dig to find out about the victims. Maybe you would feel like telling us about your Grandfather and his life, and your relationship with him? Would you be interested in replying here to the letter the convicted murderer wrote complaining about death row conditions?
I'm so sorry for the loss of your Grandfather. Thank you for making him even more real to us with your information.
I replied to Carolyn's requests, oh wait, no...DEMANDS. Enjoy.
As far as my grandfather's life, I can share the little I know. He and my father did not have a good relationship, so I only knew him about a year before he was murdered. He was really trying to make amends with my Dad and we visited him a few times. It was very weird meeting him. I didn't know what to expect, or how to act around a man who was my blood, but I never knew. I knew he was a world traveler, was in WWII, and had many unusual artifacts in his home. He was kind to me and my sister and I think he truly wanted to become a good grandfather. In death, he assured we would be taken care of later in life by setting up trust funds for all 5 of his grandchildren, to be distributed at age 31. When my Dad and aunt found that out, I'm sure they were not happy, but it showed us he really cared for us, even though our relationship had been stymied for all our lives. He was incredibly smart, a respected businessman in his town (he was a florist for many, many years), and had a lot of friends in the community. He reached out to everyone, including the people who eventually killed him. He knew Bradley Martin and their relationship is questionable. I think my grandfather was looking for companionship, even possibly a romantic relationship (he was homosexual), and in turn his killers saw an opportunity to use him and his money. It's extremely hard for me to think about the events that happened and since I was a child, I shielded from much of the media circus and details of his death. I was allowed to go to one day of their trial. My parents were careful about what day they chose, as not to traumatize us with graphic pictures and evidence. I listened and paid attention to the trial, but paid much careful attention to Bradley Martin and Carolyn King, seated not more than 20 feet away from us. Blank expressions, no sign of remorse, no sign of anything. I secretly wished my staring would burn holes into the back of their heads and they would turn around to see what was causing them so much pain. But to no avail, my pain could not be projected upon them.
It was surreal getting the phone call that my Dad needed to call the DA and my aunt right away the night they found him. We had been at my maternal aunt's wedding that day. Such a cheerful event was quickly overshadowed by death and destruction of family. I remember crying that night while undressing from my party dress and then going to an after party at my maternal uncle's home. My sister and I wept together in a back room. We didn't know what to do. I haven't thought about this in a long time...it's very painful and I'm actually trying to type through tears.
It didn't hit me until December of that year how fleeting life can be. Our family dog had to be put to sleep. And although I had grieved a little bit and cried for my grandfather, it was not until our dog, who I had seen everyday of my life was no longer in it, when it hit me like a mac truck that I would never get my grandfather back. Someone who I was just beginning to know and love...permanently taken by the hands of others. This was not God's plan. This was free will of two human beings that altered God's plan for children to be permanently damaged and lives changed forever.
I am grown up now. My parents divorced due to my father running away from my family. Although not entirely the reason, I'm sure my grandfather's murder had something to do with it. He just couldn't deal, so he continued a cycle of bad fatherly relationships. I got married in May and am planning on having children sometime in the near future. It's really a shame that one day, when they are old enough, I will have to explain to them that their great-grandfather was murdered. It's bad enough I have to live with this, but this pain goes on for generations, because it ultimately writes on the slate of who I am.
I guess that's about it for now. If anyone has any other questions, feel free to ask away.
Post by justicesucks on Oct 18, 2008 2:14:14 GMT -5
Very good Rachel! If I could write as well as you do I'd be telling my first hand story so that the people who shore up the killers with support understand how your feelings and loss are forever. That's why I'm pro DP, so the victims have a voice...we hear WAY too much from and about the killer's!!
This is a thoughtful forum. And the death penalty is the ultimate punishment. Doesn't it behoove us all to find out the details of the crime before formulating an opinion one or another way? This is not a matter of morbid curiosity -- if a jury/judge imposes death, it's a fair assumption that the crime was gory and horrific -- but rather a search for any possible mitigation that might have warranted a less severe sentence. Sadly, most times, the penalty imposed does seem to fit the crime.... These women are where they belong. They richly deserve their fate .... but in order to know that, one has to learn the details of each case. So -- to answer your question -- this is "why people want to know this."
Respectfully submitted, Susan
Well said Susan!
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