The shooting happened in the morning as workers were changing shifts A worker at a beer distribution firm in the US state of Connecticut has opened fire on colleagues killing eight of them before turning the gun on himself.
At least two people were also injured.
The shooting happened at Hartford Distributors in the town of Manchester, about 10 miles (16km) east of Hartford.
According to local media reports the man, a driver for the company, went on the shooting rampage after being asked to resign from his job during a disciplinary hearing.
"There were nine individuals, including the suspect, who were killed during the shooting," Manchester police said in a statement. "We are presently in the process of trying to identify the victims and make notifications to family members."
Two wounded people were taken to a local hospital and are "expected to survive", the statement added.
The incident happened on Tuesday morning as workers were changing shifts.
Bret Hollander, an executive at the company, says 50 to 70 people were inside the building when the shooting occurred.
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there was a gun rampage here less than 2 months ago hun........... it happens here too. i will message you the details
Wow, 12 people killed in England in the Cumbria massacre. That's the one I heard about but I just misjudged the time frame..lol.
Did you know we have 30,000 gun deaths in America while England and Japan only have around 150 gun deaths annually?
Even if you adjust for population England and Japan only have around 600 to 700 gun deaths a year compared to 30,000 for the U.S.!!
How accessible are guns in England? Are handguns totally banned? How hard is it to get sporting rifles and shotguns?
Are there more guns in England over the last 10 years or less guns?
I feel society would be better off without guns. In America most say it would be impossible to ban guns but you could do it. It would take 100 years or so but with attrition you could eventually get rid of most guns on the street if you REALLY wanted to.
Gun control and ownership laws in the UKBy Dominic Casciani
BBC News home affairs correspondent
The sale or manufacture of realistic imitation firearms is banned Derrick Bird, who shot dead 12 people in Cumbria, held a firearms licence for 20 years, it has emerged.
Cumbria Police said the taxi driver had a shotgun certificate and a firearms licence for weapons, and he is understood to have been a licensed firearms holder since the age of 32.
Deputy Chief Constable Stuart Hyde said the two weapons they had recovered from Bird, a shotgun and a rifle, appeared similar to those described on the licences, but that officers would need to perform a detailed forensic examination to confirm this.
The UK has some of the toughest gun control laws in the world. If you want to own a gun, it is very difficult to do so.
In the United States, you can declare that it is your constitutional right to bear arms. But in the UK, you need to spend hours filling in paperwork and proving to police officers that you are not a danger to society.
The system is administered by police forces in each part of the UK and in England, Scotland and Wales there are separate licences for shotguns and for other firearms.
FIREARM STATISTICS 2008-09
In 2008-09 firearms were involved in 0.3% or 1 in every 330 crimes recorded by police in England and Wales Firearms were used in 14,250 recorded crimes in 2008-09, an 18% decrease on 2007-08, and the fifth consecutive annual fall Excluding air weapons, firearm offences decreased by 17% to 8,208 Handguns were used in 4,275 offences during 2008-09, a rise of 2% on 2007-08 There was a large fall in the use of imitation weapons, which fell by 41% to 1,511 Overall, firearm offences involving any type of injury were down by 41% in 2008-09, from 4,164 in 2007-08 to 2,458 There were 39 fatal injuries from crimes involving firearms in 2008-09, the lowest recorded by the police in 20 years Source: Home Office Without getting too technical, a shotgun is a weapon with a smooth bore that usually fires no more than two cartridges before reloading. In essence, it is the kind of long-barrelled weapon you would being carried by a farmer or gamekeeper. A firearm is any other kind of legal gun that fires bullets, including rifles.
According to the most recent figures for England and Wales, there are 138,728 people certificated to hold firearms and they own 435,383 weapons. There are 574,946 shotgun certificates which cover 1.4 million shotguns.
Statistics for Scotland show that 70,839 firearms were held by 26,072 certificate holders at the end of last year. Some 50,000 people in Scotland are certificated to hold shotguns - and 137,768 weapons are covered by that scheme.
Police chiefs can revoke certificates if they conclude that the holder can no longer be trusted. In 2008-09, almost 1,300 certificates were revoked.
In Cumbria, there are 9,868 shotgun certificates covering 22,476 shotguns, figures which are broadly similar to those in other rural counties. Of the 370 new applications between 2008 and 2009, two were refused. Seven licences were revoked.
Getting a licence
Getting a licence is a long and complicated business. Every stage of the process is designed to reduce the likelihood of a gun falling into the wrong hands. It starts with an application form which asks specific questions about why the individual wants a gun, telling them they need to show "good reason".
QUESTION FOR REFEREE “ Start Quote Do you have any knowledge of any significant difficulties the applicant has in relationships with his or her immediate family... given that a firearm or ammunition may be available in the household?” End Quote Standard question that appears on firearms application forms The criteria are tougher for firearms than shotguns because weapons that fire bullets must only be used for specific purposes in specific places. These would include deer stalking or sports shooting on an approved range.
In contrast, shotguns tend to be used in more general rural circumstances, such as by farmers who are protecting livestock from foxes.
Independent referees provide character statements in which they are expected to answer in detail about the applicant's mental state, home life and attitude towards guns.
Those statements are passed confidentially to the police and are not seen by the applicant.
Police will check the Police National Computer for a criminal record and local intelligence systems. They'll speak to the applicant's GP for evidence of alcoholism, drug abuse or signs of personality disorder. Social services may be asked for any records of family problems - and counter-terrorism or special branch officers might be given a a call too.
Finally, senior officers will only approve an application if the prospective certificate holder has a secure location for the weapons, such as a gun cabinet. Each certificate is valid for five years.
Simon Clarke from the British Association of Shooting and Conservation says that whatever the merits of the certificate system, the wider law around gun control has never been properly thought through in the UK and is really complicated, even for experienced firearms licensing officers.
Michael Ryan: Owned semi-automatic weapons "The legislation has built up piecemeal since 1920 when they were worried about soldiers who had returned from World War I and the revolutionary fervour [of the times]," he said. "Since then, it's been quite reactive."
The 1920 Firearms Act introduced registration and gave chief constables the power to refuse licences. The rules were tightened 7 years later with a ban on the fully automatic weapons of the day. In the 1960s, Parliament ordered the control of shotguns and consolidated all the measures to date in one major act.
But the two most important laws came in the wake of two national tragedies.
Michael Ryan's massacre of 16 people in Hungerford in 1987 led to the banning of all modern semi-automatic rifles, the range of guns that can be fired rapidly without needing to be reloaded.
“ Start Quote Yesterday's killings will prompt a debate about our country's gun laws, that is understandable and indeed it is right and proper” End Quote Home Secretary Theresa May
Government 'to lead' guns debate Nine years later, Thomas Hamilton killed 16 schoolchildren and their teacher when he opened fire at a school in Dunblane. Parliament banned all handguns and there is now a mandatory five-year jail sentence for possession.
There are also laws banning the sale or manufacture of realistic imitation firearms because police say criminals know how to convert them into guns that can fire live ammunition.
The most recent restrictions in 2006 angered many gun enthusiasts, including historians and collectors, who said that it criminalised people with an entirely lawful interest in firearms. The law allows people to hold imitation weapons for specific purposes, such as re-enactments - the enthusiasts say the law has been drawn far too tightly.
But criminal conversion of fake guns concerns many senior police officers. The latest gun to be banned is the Olympic .380 BBM revolver, a cheap blank-firing pistol held aloft by officials who start races at sporting events.
Police say it has become popular among criminals in London because they have worked out how to convert it into a real gun. The amnesty to hand them in ends on 4 June.
Police figures show that there were 39 firearms-related deaths in 2008-09 and that seven of these involved a shotgun. That total was the lowest recorded by the police in 20 years. Guns play a role in just 0.3% of all recorded crimes - one in every 330 incidents.
Post by executionbuffet on Aug 4, 2010 13:56:48 GMT -5
Debs, those are some really amazing stats.
Not only gun murders but all gun-related crimes were down from one year to the next in the U.K.. After seeing that I don't see how the pro gun nuts in America can still be so pro gun.
I actually heard the author of the book "More guns, less crime" say that the crime rate is higher in England after the handgun ban. I think he meant other crimes like assaults, crimes with knives, rapes, etc.
What is the overall crime rate in the U.K. and would you happen to know how it compares to America? I guess you find out the U.K. part and I can find out the U.S. part. LOL
Found this link, EB, so knock yourself out:) We've had a Gun Amnesty and a Knife amnesty within the past ten years and apparently thousands were handed in. Yes, we probably are higher now, but should imagine that a fair amount of that is down to our social situation and the recession. Poverty and debt will always result in more drug use, more crime, and a frustration that causes people to 'snap' far more easily. There's a great deal of resentment brought about by the large amount of immigrants coming into this country and using the welfare system, which we end up paying for through our tax system (now one of the highest in the world, have been told). I read somewhere recently that our imprisonment rates are nowhere near as high as yours, and I know that the sentencing structure is nowhere near as severe in many cases.
England's a mess. In a recent survey, 3 out of every 4 disenchanted Brits would be happy to leave this sorry island if they had the opportunity.
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